Property
Closed on a new deal in Santee
Jan 25th
Well it seems a lot of our hard work is starting to pay off. We will close on about 5 properties this month if everything closes on time (never does).
Our most recent acquisition is a 3 bedroom 2 bath with a converted garage in the Carlton Hills section of Santee.
We plan on turning the converted garage into another master bedroom and bath by adding a 2 car garage to the side of the house. By adding the 2 car garage we will not only get a garage we will also be able to add 400 sq. ft to the house.
We were turned onto this REO deal before it hit the market but since the lender/seller required the listing agent to only look at offers from owner occupied for the first 15 days we decided not to put in an offer.
Fast forward about 3 months we were introduced to someone who had it under contract because the FHA buyer who had it under contract for >$230,000 backed out due to foundation issues (which we have already fixed for $13,500).
We gave them a $13,000 + wholesale fee (includes listing it on the back end for us) and closed on the deal for $175,000 last week.
I just wanted to update anyone who cared and will be putting more information as we go.
Here are some pictures of this little gem
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| Esparta |
I also created a single property website in which I will be updating much more information than on the blog here. Please let me know if you like the site I created and what I can do to improve on it. In the meantime check out our construction budget, pro-formas, pictures & videos.
Here is a picture of the start screen, click here to go to the Esparta website
Here are initial numbers for this project.
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Aloha to our little friend… We have San Diego city approval
Jan 17th
Say hello to our little friend! We have approval from the city to add square footage to the Aloha house and are in the construction phase as we speak.
I want to apologize for not posting more but we have 5 properties that we are buying this month
and have been as busy as one-legged man in an ass kickin’ contest.
In addition my wife and I are in Mexico for my best friend’s wedding until next Monday.
It was a much needed break and thanks to technology there is quite a bit I can actually do while gone but it really comes down to teamwork and poor Nick is grinding it out in the office while I start my first leg of my trip at our ocean front suite with a jacuzzi on the balcony, at the all-inclusive resort called dreams Puerto Vallarta.
When we got Shannon aka Aloha house under contract we noticed that the city records had only 2 bedroom 2 baths and 1775 square feet even though there was clearly another room above the garage.
This and the fact that the rear of the property was obviously added onto at some point made us go to the city to do a little more research, since we were not willing to buy a 2 bedroom for the price we were under contract for.
We were fortunate enough to have a co-operative (bank) seller who gave us permission in writing to go down to the city to pull permits (the County of San Diego will not let you pull building records without the owner’s permission and many lenders specifically state in their contract that you agree not to contact the city about the property.
Brad went down to the city and once he got through the usual red tape and double talk was able to find out that in fact the whole structure was permitted. And
even better news was the fact that 1775 square feet did not include the room above the garage but that the room above the garage WAS permitted as a 320sq. ft. rec room.
Since the rec room was not under the same roof it did not count towards the square footage and was considered just a rec. room.
So long story short and a bunch of time in between we found out that the only way to permit the room above the garage and turn it into a bedroom was to attach it under the same roof…..
Well since the seller stated they were selling a 3 bedroom 2.5 bath when it was really a 2/2 we pulled out the old 1,2 punch hail mary. (btw we told our agent up front that we were not going to buy it for the price we were under contract for because of the reasons above and let him know we could either back out or try to get a credit but didn’t want to jeopardize his relationship with the other agent. He said let’s go for it).
Ok here is the 1,2 punch which is risky in the sense that you will spend some money, time and potentially lose the deal. (btw I told the agent up front I was not buying this deal for the price we were under contract for so this was not a surprise to him.)
- Get a professional building inspection –
We get inspections on many projects before we buy them because It does a few things
- sees things that I may miss
- Helps me come up with a list of items that are easy to fix but can scare buyers. I add this to my scope of work and I require my contractor to have these items fixed before his last payment. I bring the inspector out one more time before I put it on the market and make sure the work the contractor did was ok and have the inspector sign off that I completed the work.
- I give the building inspection and my termite report to any buyers before I let them put in an offer, that way they can’t come back and say they want a $5,000 credit because the electrical is not grounded. By giving them the BIR they already know this before they put in the offer. Remember a buyer can negotiate the price down at multiple stages, as a seller you get one shot, once you’re property is tied up the price never goes up.
2. Get a bid on the work that needs to be done in writing from a contractor, submit any information you gathered from the city the sellers maybe didn’t know about (now they need to disclose this info to the next buyer since they now know about it) and justify a price reduction.
This is risky because it takes a lot of time to do it correctly and not just look like your a grinder which only pisses people off and will make them say no, just because they think you are full of it….
So we submitted a bid and in addition Nick wrote a great letter (since he is smarter than me) demonstrating the reduction in value a 2/2 has as opposed to a 3/2
(about $14 per foot over the last 1o years). Here is a quick snipit asking for a $40,000 credit.
Ok so I digress (btw I write like I think.. All over the place so bear with me)…
We submitted to the city with plans to add 2 bedrooms (by adding closets to the “rec room” above the garage and to the dining room since there was plenty of room to make a living/dining room) and one bathroom to the “rec room”…
Well we got approval just after Christmas. By adding 2 walls, 40 square feet of roof and $6,000 dollars / $11 per sq. ft. we were able to go from 1775 sq. ft to almost 2,300. Not bad considering the average price per square foot is over $250 in the area.
Next time I’ll tell you about some of our new projects and some pretty cool stuff we are doing including another place that we are able to get about 500 sq. feet added just by adding a garage which will give us about $100,000 in extra value….
Stay tuned to the same bat channel and no particular time except when this one toothed man in a corn-on-the-cob eating contest dude get’s around to updating this site.
12 hours and I’m off to our second leg in our adventure, Cabo for our friends 40th birthday!
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Falcon Flip Update – The Eagle Has Landed
Jan 6th
So we finally go
t through plan check from the city (huge relief since our Falcon project in Mission Hills got stuck in the bureaucratic spin cycle because of a little plant called Artemisia californica or better known as coastal sage brush which I will now just refer to as an expensive weed. This expensive weed was found on the cities property next to ours on the hillside and because no one at the city could seem to agree on how to move forward.
The options they were giving us were not acceptable especially since we were not even touching anything within a 100 feet of this little frigging plant. The only exterior work we were doing on the back of the property (where the hillside is) is some work on the decks which are already existing.
This has definitely been an interesting project and quite the learning process. On every project you learn something and some times those lessons cost more than others. 
I am not sure what I could have done different on this project. We were able to get a great deal on this buying it at $305,000 when the average price in the area is above $700,000 but that price came with strings attached.
Here are some things that we have come up against.
As some of you may or may not remember the reason this property was so cheap is the city put a lien against the property due to code violations.
The previous owner started a big remodel including
- New electric & Plumbing
- Siding
- Decking
- Flooring
- Framing
But like many back yard weekend warriors you could tell some of the work was questionable at best.
To make sure we knew what we were getting into (or at least have a decent idea of what we were looking at) we met the inspector at the property (multiple times) who put the violations on Falcon.
The inspector seemed very helpful and walked myself , contractor, architect (different times) through the property and pointed out what he wanted fixed. Some of these items were…
- Electrical & Pluming – make sure it was to code and fix what wasn’t
- Wanted the decks engineered to make sure they were ok
- Check the roof and some beams
- Replace some windows that were removed
- A handful of miscellaneous items
Well even though it wasn’t April, the joke was on me. The first thing the city did when we submitted (as per the cities guidelines) our plans from the architect was to ask for additional items (it seemed like every time we submitted someone asked us to add something else. I think there was a contest at the city to see who could get us to make the most changes and different times).
What made this difficult is every time they asked for something new we had to scramble for someone to get it done as a priority. Below are some of the items that were asked of us, piece meal (It would have made more sense to me to have just given me the list from the start. But what do I know they need to stay busy to justify those big pensions right)
- Submitted set of plans of our modifications the city suggested. Hired an architect to do this
- They then asked us to get a surveyor to survey the property lines – week later re submitted
- Wanted additional engineering – week later submit
- Ohh now you want a landscape architect and a biologist to call out EVERY plant on our property and 100 feet past in all directions and onto the cities land…. Ohh sure why not that makes sense since we are doing what to the landscape? Ohh you also want us to actually draw, diagram and show the placement of each plant… Yeah no problem, just let me know if you would like me to re-pave the street for the city while I am doing this extra work. A few weeks later
- Ohh you have coastal sage brush on our city property… tisk tisk…
- Fast forward months of back and forth, Tug-a-war between different people in the city telling us to do different things. Different interpretations, more submitals to the city, tweaks, and finally the legal has landed we are through plan check and now just need to get this thing finished and hope we don’t run into any more major problems like we have already.
Here is a brief rundown of where we are at and what happened.
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ALOHA TO OUR LATEST FLIP
Dec 20th
As they say on Hawaii Five O – Book-em Dan O’
Construction is starting as soon as our plans are approved from the city.
This was the 2nd house fund 2 purchased. Property 1 was the Ocean Beach house.Ok so this deal seems to have come directly from Hawaii, we paid $323,000 cash for this 1775 square foot tropical wonderland.
In addition there is a huge 320 square foot bonus room above the garage that is not counted towards the square footage. In addition to the 3 fountains, there are 2 extra rooms not counting a bonus room and a huge lot
Upon entering what appears the front door you come into a tropical courtyard with coy pond and a sitting area with an outdoor fireplace.
The master bedroom & bath is about 600 square feet that is already pretty much remodeled.
To top it off the shower is a friggin jungle (seriously check out the picture of the shower on the picture to the left!)
To top off the bad boy Jurassic park shower there are two friggin separate private toilets in the master bath for those couples who never want to be apart (see video below – it may take a second to load)
The Love Toilet – For those couples who never want to be apart
LOCATION
It’s located in the Rolando area of San Diego only about a mile from San Diego State University (SDSU) on a great street.
We found this deal through an agent who had seen this before and sent me to take a look at it. I will post at a later time a process I use of finding deals .
Below is the floor plan with the courtyard in the center of the property
THE GRAY AREA IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY IS THE COURTYARD AND CURRENTLY COVERED BY A TARP
CONSTRUCTION
Ahhh so the question is what do we plan on doing to this place as far as improvements go right? Well it has to stay a surprise until a workshop we are holding their this Saturday from 9-12 in which we will tour the property, give a brief summary of the purchase, what sales price we hope to get and a copy of the actual existing floor plan (see above).
After that briefing I am going to discuss construction from the stand point of being an investor who is re-selling the property quickly and the process we go through on making our decisions.
- Safe numbers to use before you ever drive the property (if you have some pictures)
- Our initial inspection walk through sheet (you’ll be surprised at how simple this thing is and that you probably already have it) we use to give us our first idea of what needs to be done.
- Then our quick back of the napkin cost assessment to see if it the price still pencils out before we submit the offer.
- Creating a scope to give to a contractor.
- Managing the process and basic tricks and traps to watch out for on these projects.
- And then we will have everyone break off into groups, walk the property, come up with their scope of work after which we will all discuss and then we will reveal what we are doing to this project including a couple things that may surprise you.
- If you are interested in attending RSVP me at workshop ATgabhartinvestments.com
Below is a quick video & picture collage we made of the property. I must not have had enough coffee when I filmed some of the scenes because it is a little shaky so hold on to your hats. Let me know what you think of the video.
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1-2-3 SOLD and a 23 day holding time!
Dec 8th
I am very excited about this post as this is my first deal with Curtis and Gabhart Investments. As I mentioned in an earlier blog, I am very new to real estate and am interning with Curtis to learn the ropes of flipping houses and how to succeed in this market. This deal was not only exciting, but also unique in that the property was flipped so quickly and with no work or construction. It was valuable learning experience as I learned it is possible to flip a house, make a profit, and no work in less than 30 days. Below is the step by step process of the deal.
Also
stay tuned for our most recent acquisition at 6600 Shannon, 92115. Well be adding square footage and re-configuring the floor plan to turn it into a 4 bedroom 3 bath from a 2 bedroom 2 bath
- Brad Talbert
Back to our message folks…
So the property we picked for $320,000 on the 26th of October in Ocean Beach we just sold it for $400,000 on the 18th of November.
Here’s how it all began…
Once upon a time at a faraway place in Point Loma Hieghts…
WHAT & WHERE - 706 Sq Ft, 2 Bed/1 Bath in 3952 Coronado Ave, San Diego, CA 92107
DEAL POINTS OF PURCHASE
- $320,000
- Executed contract date – October 11, 2010
- Escrow length – 15 days (Oct 11 to Oct 26 – We closed early)
- Deposit – $10,000
- Down payment – $90,000
- Loan Terms $230,000 seller carry back @ 6% interest only, 1 year term. $1500 in loan fees
- Purchase Date – October 26th
- Purchase Entity – Gabhart Real Estate Opportunity Fund, LLC Series 2
DEAL POINTS OF SALE
- $400,000 Net to Fund
- Executed contract date – October 29, 2010
- Escrow length – 20 days (Oct 29 to Nov 18)
- DEPOSIT – $80,000 NON REFUNDABLE UPON ACCEPTANCE (WE gave him all the due diligence & disclosure up front)
- Loan – none – all cash transaction
- Close of Escrow (sale date) – November 18, 2010
CONSTRUCTION COSTS
None. We only went inside the property twice.
RETURNS
HOLDING TIME – 23 DAYS
RETURN ON EQUITY (approx) 77%
ANNUALIZED CASH ON CASH RETURN (approx) *A BOATLOAD
(CG-*Remember it is unlikely/impossible that your money works 365 days a year doing investments. It would mean the day you closed escrow you bought another property.)
HOW WAS IT FOUND
Through our website. Seller contacted us after seeing our posts at sdcia.com
Way back when on the 8th of October Curtis received from his website that a person wanted to sell a property in Ocean Beach.
After c
alling and qualifying the seller as to why he was selling (he just purchased and didn’t want to drive an hour each way to fix it up and decided to wholesale it instead) and some other important questions so we didn’t waste our time chasing our tail .
- Basic property info
- Bed/bath, square footage & any recent improvements
- Why are they selling & for how much
- When do they need to close
- And who else are they talking to (this he lps with negotiations)
This is important so we don’t waste time and have a good understanding of the seller and the property.
Ring a ding ding and a ching ching we got an email from our website that someone had a property for sale.
Action time …….. When getting deals ACT QUICK ….. AFTER you qualify…
How did the deal transition from purchase to sale (Step-by-Step)
1. The first thing we did is logged on MLS and other sites to compare the property and compile a few comparable which to evaluate and compare to the Coronado property.
a. ALWAYS do this before you get in your car and drive a property, your goal is to eliminate as many wastes of time unqualified properties as possible.
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2. Upon arriving at the property and beginning our inspection, we were pleased to see the property was in fair condition. (our definition of condition is probably different than most. In this case it was standing and we didn’t have a previous kitty farm, we didn’t have to jack up the house, etc.)
a. We noticed instantly the house needed a new roof, but other than, that the outside would be an easy fix. (on our first inspection we use a form from winforms that is used when doing a move in/out inspection for tenants. The form has each area broken down and items for each area. For example each room has a spot for baseboards, doors, hardware, lights, etc. We fill in the form with our notes on what needs to be done and when we get back to the office we input the information into our initial estimate spreadsheet to see how much construction is going to be)
b. Basic paint and landscaping would be the extent of work needed on the exterior. Create nice curb appeal by bringing attention to the front porch and door, adding some river rock as a wainscoting up front and just bringing back the character of this style of house.
c. The floors needed to be refinished (almost any condition hardwood floors can be made to look like new Curtis says), and a complete new kitchen with appliances and a couple other minimal touch-ups throughout the house was all the inside needed. We were thinking of redesigning the kitchen, filling in a door that had no real purpose except to take up precious wall square footage int he kitchen.
d. The backyard was a big and spacious, and needed only a basic cleaning up.
e. A new front lock would also be replaced, as the current one was a bit cumbersome.
3. Upon leaving the property, we met a neighbor who informed us that other investors had been inspecting the property just an hour before. The race was on and we were off to drive the comps.
a. The majority of the day was taken by driving & walking the property and driving the comps. One of the comps we drove was a recently rehabbed property which we had put in an offer, but did not get the deal. The two were very similar, yet we felt more comfortable with our new subject property.
b. While both properties have 2 bed / 1 bath, the new one had less square footage. Our subject property we were buying did have a much much larger lot and was on a better street. Additionally our subject property had the add-on room, which was not on the tax records. This wouldn’t be beneficial for the appraisal but would act as incentive to a buyer.
c. We try to drive, video tape, and take notes on each comparable property. Curtis mentions that you always want to try to look at it from the eyes of a buyer understanding that the buyer wants the best value for their money. Ask yourself some of these questions on each property you look at.
- Street – equal/better/worse
- Neighbors – equal/better/worse (sometimes it is worth it to pay to paint a neighbors house or clean up their yard. Curtis has done this on other projects)
- House – equal/better/worse – We look at properties that are in similar condition and don’t compare ours to fixers since when we go to sell it typically it will be fixed up. We also see if there are things that can’t be fixed like street noise, yard size etc.
In the video recorder we verbally give our assesment of the property so we can review it later. In addition this can come in handy dealing with appraisers later since many times they don’t look at the interior of the comps and you may need to justify your price to the appraiser with this being your back up.
4. Once back in the office, we run a proforma and play with the numbers to see if this venture is profitable. We start by running a quick “back of the napkin” proforma using the age old 70% ARV (after rehabbed value) minus costs for improvements. We quickly realized that this is a good deal, so we work to lock up the property.
(we also do this real quick before we get in the car to try to eliminate wastes of time. Once we have looked at the property we give it a more thorough analysis before we put in our offer. It is important if you get your offer accepted you close so your pre-purchase due diligence is key)
a. The project is so versatile, as it lent itself to many exit strategies.
i. One possibility is to put it back on the market without doing anything or “wholesaling it.” The factors here are how much we would make and how quickly.
ii. Secondly, would be to add minor paint and a roof and let the next owner really do the rest of the work.
iii. Thirdly, we could fully rehab everything, including a full kitchen package, refinished floors, new windows, landscaping etc. The final option is to try and build and add anywhere from 500 to 1500 sq. ft.
5. Once we ran our proformas and realized we had a deal, Curtis called the seller. We verbally offered $310,000 and he asked if he could call us back at the end of the day, as he wanted to see if anyone else would offer $320,000.
Curtis decided it wasn’t worth the risk of losing it and gave the seller 2 options. (by talking to the neighbor Curtis happened to get out of him the name of the buyer looking at it earlier and knew him. Because of this we knew we had to act quick and didn’t want to risk losing $60,000 – $100,000 on a bet when it worked at $320,000)
1. $310,000; all cash quick close
2. $320,000; assume the financing the seller had for $320,000 at 6% interest for only 1 year. This reduced our hard money costs and ended up netting us more than offering $310,000 and also allowed the seller to get his price.
6. Curtis immediately wrote up the offer and sent it over and got a response that night. With the $320,000 and 6% it was really a wining situation for everyone. We put in the offer at $320,000 and had it accepted within 24 hours. The terms were a price of $320,000 and the seller carry back 6% interest and only $1500 in fees for 1 year term. We had a 15 day COE (Close of Escrow) in which we closed in 12. As it was, by having the seller carry back the financing, we were able to save money which in turn positioned us better than the $310,000 all cash quick close option.
Coronado was now a GII Property
Once we locked up the property, we began calling a few agents in the area to firm up what was happening in the market. We attempted to find out:
- Are their listings getting offers and for how much?
- Are they receiving close to asking price and if not, what do they think their property is really worth?
- Information on the sales prices and condition of the property, financing, concessions if it was a sold etc.
We decided to let two of the local agents know that if we received $400,000 net commissions, we would sell and walk away. If not, we would let them know in 30 days when we were done rehabbing before we put it on the market , so they would have a chance to bid on it.
We came to this conclusion as we figured that a full rehab would net us about $80k or $110k and would take about three months. If we sold for $400,000, this would net $80,000 in a week, which greatly increases the returns on the property. (See post about velocity of money)
Ultimately, this was a fantastic property to find and we are lucky we could flip it so quickly. It took less than 30 days from when we received the tip, to closing the property to the new buyer.
The transaction went smooth with few headaches. The best part of the deal is we now have a trusted professional acquaintance in North County, who we will hopefully be able to exchange deals with in the future and a buyer who is an agent who will also send us deals in the future (your reputation is important and San Diego is a small town so treat people right, do what you say you are going to do and in the long run it pays off)
This was sent to Curtis after we bought it from the Seller.
Curtis,
Thanks for purchasing the home on Coronado Avenue from me. You promised a quick and easy close and you delivered on that promise. We actually closed 3 days early on a 15 day escrow! You are to be commended on your honesty and integrity in this business dealing. If everyone involved in real estate transactions performed as you have, it would make all of our lives much easier.
You may use me as a reference for anyone who wants more knowledge of this transaction.
Thanks again,
Larry C*
By the way stay tunes for our most recent purchase at 6600 Shannon, 92115. This will be an interesting one since we are adding square footage to the property and re-configuring the floor plan.
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Chula Vista Flip… Going once, Going twice, Sold the cat pee house…
Oct 1st
Ahhhh finally we sold our Chula Vista 2 bedroom 1 bath house.
Besides
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trying to get rid of the strongest nastiest cat urine smell I have ever encountered (see video below for the smell O’ vision cam)
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the 30′ septic pit we discovered (which was supposed to be a septic tank – actual picture)
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paying $13,000 in city fees to hook up the septic (pit) to the city.
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An appraisal that came in $20,000 to low.
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Besides those little things you couldn’t have asked for a smoother, easier, less stressful transaction.
I must have been on a bathroom break (training the cat to pose for the picture above) while I was watching those get rich quick late night Real Estate riches infomercial (those nights I wake up thinking about sink holes, low appraisals, and dealing with city governments) hosted by those two midget dudes.
I just don’t recall seeing my little buddies mentioning those damned septic pits that cost 15 gees to take care of.
In addition they didn’t include the super duper negotiating navigating techniques it takes to keep a deal together with these challenges.
That must come with the more expensive course sold by Tom Vu
Falcon construction underway and 3 houses closing
Sep 17th
FALCON UPDATE
The demo is complete and the downstairs walls have been framed out. Our electrician is installing wiring for outlets and lights this week. Plumbing and mechanical is about 85% complete. We visited and took some video for you (Curtis almost sprained an ankle walking through all that action, but he made it out OK):
Our Home Depot crew helped out with some sleek tile, lights and finishes. It is going to be a very modern home with a lot of light and clean lines and colors. I mean, take a look at the floorplans as well as some renderings put together by the dynamic duo at HD.
CLOSINGS
5th, Bullrush, and Caminito Agadir are all slated to close within the week. We had to slay a few dragons in the past couple of weeks. An appraisal issue on Bullrush, resolved. A sewer issue on 5th, resolved. An air conditioning issue on Caminito Agadir, resolved. Buyers are happy now and all contingencies have been removed, so things are looking promising.
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